tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post3914547746812076734..comments2023-10-29T10:32:36.914-04:00Comments on Philosophy, et cetera: Possibly Wrong Moral TheoriesRichard Y Chappellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16725218276285291235noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-66019843821075483832016-12-20T14:11:37.723-05:002016-12-20T14:11:37.723-05:00Richard,
I wasn't thinking about a motivatio...Richard, <br /><br />I wasn't thinking about a motivation, but if you ask for a motivation, I guess I would say that the motivation would be to try to correctly assess whether the theory is correct, which depends on what the theory means. <br /><br />Regarding the fortuitous coincidence objection, that objection might or might not work depending on the specifics of the theory, but it seems to me that what happens in other possible worlds when considered as actual does not appear to be relevant - or if it is, that would require further argumentation. <br /><br />For example, we can consider two theories: <br />a. Water is H2O. <br />b. Water is the stuff that animals normally drink [one can add more details].<br /><br />Theory b. (sufficiently specified) is more general (it works in more possible worlds as actual), but a. is also (probably) true, when interpreted as intended given usual contexts, but it would be a mistake to think that a. is only a fortuitous coincidence. Granted, you might argue that morality is relevantly different in this context, and that in the case of moral theories, any theory that matches what happens in all possible worlds (counterfactual) is at best a coincidence, or something along those lines. But I think you would need at least to explain why that is so (Personally, I would be inclined to something like the rules of behavior as determined by H. Sapiens' moral sense in some ideal conditions to be specified (rather than Slote's theory), but in any event, it seems to me the theories would have to be assessed in possible worlds considered as counterfactual, not as actual, given that that would be what the theories actually claim). Angra Mainyuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16342860692268708455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-38205665893045038332016-12-20T06:30:41.586-05:002016-12-20T06:30:41.586-05:00If an alternative theory better explains the moral...If an alternative theory better explains the moral facts across all possible worlds considered as actual, then that would seem the superior theory. I'm not sure what the motivation would be for still regarding Slote's more limited theory as being <i>correct</i> at all (as opposed to just <i>fortuitously coinciding with the correct theory</i> given that we actually have the right sentiments).Richard Y Chappellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16725218276285291235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-91479731365580954222016-12-18T13:20:09.719-05:002016-12-18T13:20:09.719-05:00Hi Richard,
If I get your point right, a reply m...Hi Richard, <br /><br />If I get your point right, a reply might be: <br /><br />First, there might not be a moral theory that is correct in all possible worlds, when considering possible worlds as actual. <br />Second, assuming there is such a theory, that one would be actually correct, but there might be another theory that is correct in every possible world (as counterfactual), even if not as actual. <br /><br />Regarding the second point, let's suppose for the sake of the argument that actually, wrong acts are acts that reflect or exhibit or express an absence (or lack) of fully developed [normal human] empathic concern for (or caring about) others, and in every possible world (as counterfactual), that is also true (because the relevant properties of humans are fixed, just like, say, the fact that water is H2O is). Slote's theory - as I understand it from your post - would then be correct, even if - as it happens - there is also another correct theory, which also delivers the right result in every possible world - as counterfactual - and in fact in every possible world - as actual. <br /><br />Would that be a problem for Sloate's theory? <br />I guess it depends on what he aims at, but at least from your post (I followed the link, but the theory is paywalled), I don't see this has to be a difficulty for his theory. Angra Mainyuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16342860692268708455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-18541206421616407942016-12-18T11:41:21.192-05:002016-12-18T11:41:21.192-05:00Hi Angra, interesting point, though can't I ju...Hi Angra, interesting point, though can't I just run my argument along the "considered as actual" dimension of modality instead? i.e., "What's stopping the counter-actually correct moral theory from also being the actually correct moral theory?Richard Y Chappellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16725218276285291235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-27258411666652353442016-10-08T17:55:12.630-04:002016-10-08T17:55:12.630-04:00Hi Richard,
I don't think synthetic naturali...Hi Richard, <br /><br />I don't think synthetic naturalists would be persuaded, but granting that synthetic naturalism is mistaken, it seems to me that your objection doesn't imply that the claim that wrong acts are those that "reflect or exhibit or express an absence (or lack) of fully developed empathic concern for (or caring about) others." (C1 for short) is not true in every possible world considered as counterfactual, and when the referent of "our" is fixed by the actual world. <br />So, it might be that our "natural" empathic dispositions turn out to actually do the work in the actual world, and in fact, in any possible world - considered as counterfactual -, C1 is true. <br /><br />Given that Slote acknowledges that "The ethics of empathy may here be hostage to future biological and psychological research", he seems to implicitly know that there is a possible world considered as actual in which C1 is false. In light of that, it seems to me that Slote's theory is probably not a theory about when an act is wrong in all possible worlds (considered as actual), but rather, at most, in all worlds considered as counterfactual, where the referent of "our" natural dispositions is fixed by the actual world. If so, I don't think your argument shows that Slote's theory is false. <br /><br />It shows at most that it would be false if it were presented as a theory about what's true at all possible worlds, even considered as actual. But Slote isn't aiming for that, apparently (I'm making this assessment based on your post, though; I don't know if he endorses a broader interpretation elsewhere).Angra Mainyuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16342860692268708455noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-66678348380834160712016-09-22T00:29:37.150-04:002016-09-22T00:29:37.150-04:00I agree with and like this argument. We can imagin...I agree with and like this argument. We can imagine worlds where our sentiments are clearly leading to false moral judgments, and we would recognize them as such. But the tools we employ to recognize an immoral sentiment are rooted in contingency. If you changed a few facts about how things are, those tools would vindicate the opposite judgments. Doesn't it sound madly hubristic to declare confidently that we now happen to have counterfactual intuitions about values that are perfectly calibrated to the truth, so that we can reliably recognize which sentiments would be ethically misleading? How did we come by this superpower?<br /><br />This looks like an argument for moral skepticism, but I'm no moral skeptic. The answer to skepticisms is usually to find some principle to take as epistemically foundational. Much more interesting than moral skepticism is the argument about what's the best principle for which to pound our fist. Here we have many options, all of which are bad-but-not-worse-than-skepticism. Sentimentalism is one of these. Sure, it looks especially bad in a world where our sentiments are homophobic and racist. But maybe we live in a world where our capacity to recognize the badness of bad sentiments is completely miscalibrated, and if you think it's not, you're epistemically out on just as thin a limb as the sentimentalist (or Euthyphro).Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03638856877702739374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-34471690703402999512016-09-21T11:32:57.087-04:002016-09-21T11:32:57.087-04:00I like the argument, but knowledge seems to be doi...I like the argument, but knowledge seems to be doing a lot of work here -- in effect, it's suggesting that when we already know that there possible situations in which a moral theory will be wrong, we can use that to discover a moral theory that will be more right. But surely this is not so clear when we are talking about any but the most basic counterfactual situations? One could also have a view in which there are possible areas of life that will just be confusing because they are at the limits of our actual ability to have coherent moral judgments, or that we just don't know enough about some of these possibilities to say what would be going on, for instance. Or there could be something analogous to a preface paradox: yes, someone might say, we might be able to think of possible cases in which we can come up with isolated <i>reasons</i> to be puzzled or to worry about the results in counterfactual cases, but given what we actually have to build moral theories with, we don't actually have any better overall moral <i>theory</i> available. That our best moral theory might have anomalies in counerfactual worlds wouldn't necessarily affect its being our best moral theory.<br /><br />Has anyone given an argument that there must be a moral theory that is not merely contingently plausible? I don't know what to think of the view, but it strikes me that there would likely be some who, faced with this argument, would at least be tempted to say that all moral theories could be merely contingently plausible -- no Grand Unified Theory, just a lot of local theories that do well for a particular domain and less well for others.Brandonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06698839146562734910noreply@blogger.com