tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post112563053624594004..comments2023-10-29T10:32:36.914-04:00Comments on Philosophy, et cetera: Implicit DiscriminationRichard Y Chappellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16725218276285291235noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-1125710834626264262005-09-02T21:27:00.000-04:002005-09-02T21:27:00.000-04:00I agree becaue there are public good issues. But t...I agree becaue there are public good issues. But to realise the mgnitude of the problem we must realise we may be enforcing irrationality inorder to achive utilitarianism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-1125708840433153422005-09-02T20:54:00.000-04:002005-09-02T20:54:00.000-04:00Well, that brings up serious issues in the ethics ...Well, that brings up serious issues in <A HREF="http://pixnaps.blogspot.com/2005/02/ethics-of-generalization.html" REL="nofollow">the ethics of generalization</A>. I think that using such statistical information is morally dubious, myself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-1125708400212868812005-09-02T20:46:00.000-04:002005-09-02T20:46:00.000-04:00The problem for a employer thinking of hiring a wh...The problem for a employer thinking of hiring a white or black man or a woman or a man (or a short/tall person or ugly/pretty) is that interviews are to a large extent about decieving the employer (and the employer decieving the employee). The employer has a large amount of information but not very much information that they know clearly what it means.<BR/><BR/>Unfortunatly one piece of information they have is the race of the individual and, probably, a general knowledge of crime, education and other such stats for those groups. <BR/><BR/>I expect you would find a difference between all sorts of other groups too - (which also makes me wonder how it is possible for them to have controlled a white vs black experiment although I expect their conclusion was correct). Also I note that white people might have a tougher time at black offices if it is cultural mismatches that the employers are scared of (or they might find it easier based on the aforementioned logic).<BR/><BR/>Of course not hiring those groups perpetuates those problems but it only takes a small group of them to do so to create the problem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-1125706390430154732005-09-02T20:13:00.000-04:002005-09-02T20:13:00.000-04:00Oh, no, that's different. I certainly agree with y...Oh, no, that's different. I certainly agree with you that covert (often subconscious) discrimination is a genuine problem. But that's not what "domination" is about. I am quite specifically talking about when "women are systematically excluded on the basis of <I>other</I> (non-arbitrary) characteristics that they disproportionately exhibit."<BR/><BR/>Insofar as feminists and such are concerned with covert discrimination, I agree with them. But they (at least some of them) are also concerned about "domination", and that's the topic of this post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-1125692858622817632005-09-02T16:27:00.000-04:002005-09-02T16:27:00.000-04:00I think what feminisits and such would say, right ...I think what feminisits and such would say, right or not, is that the issue isn't implicit discrimination as you define it, but what might be called covert and overt. The idea is not a difference of target, but whether the rules come out and say it, or it's done without admission that it's going on.<BR/><BR/>For example, a news network did an experiment where two college students went and tried to get jobs, apartments, etc. in the southern US with secret cameras rolling. (This was fairly recently, this decade or the 90's). Amazingly similar types, involved in same activities, dressed the same, even both had glasses. Difference, one was white, one was black. The white one was consistently treated better. However, only once did the people giving different treatment mention race, and this was when the black student wasn't present.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-1125649324940303052005-09-02T04:22:00.000-04:002005-09-02T04:22:00.000-04:00I agree, pity you cant convince everyone.Of course...I agree, pity you cant convince everyone.<BR/>Of course it is not surprising that feminists (or other "ists") might get caught up with policies that to some extent help their disadvantaged group.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com