tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post9123155782374619140..comments2023-10-29T10:32:36.914-04:00Comments on Philosophy, et cetera: On your blog, anything goes?Richard Y Chappellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16725218276285291235noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-87707412157925649112007-08-29T01:49:00.000-04:002007-08-29T01:49:00.000-04:00I'll have to read more to decide. The Philosophy ...I'll have to read more to decide. <BR/><BR/>The Philosophy Carnival posts don't leave me very optimistic, but from what I have read so far the blog comments seem to be of exceptionally high quality.Michael Vassarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14093368267892307038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-50610018117831277652007-08-28T23:58:00.000-04:002007-08-28T23:58:00.000-04:00Do you think a forum benefits from selective entry...Do you think a forum benefits from selective entry in addition to demanding high standards of whoever shows up? (I would hope the latter alone might suffice, given the influence of self-selection.)Richard Y Chappellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16725218276285291235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-66298422833191364472007-08-27T14:08:00.000-04:002007-08-27T14:08:00.000-04:00In practice discourse is usually best served, it s...In practice discourse is usually best served, it seems to me, by being VERY selective with respect to who is permitted into a forum and by holding participants to VERY high standards of reason and care in thought. If you keep out people who could have been insightful that's OK so long as you don't keep them from building their own forum. An un-PC example of this is that I think it was tragic that Jews who were discriminated against in Ivy League admissions didn't respond by building their own universities. As a result, the world is poorer, in terms of the number of high quality universities it contains and the diversity between them, than it could have been.Michael Vassarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14093368267892307038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-7192524216668198252007-07-23T05:08:00.000-04:002007-07-23T05:08:00.000-04:00Thanks for this Richard, I agree with your post. ...Thanks for this Richard, I agree with your post. I try to run my blog along those lines, but I note that although I feel a moral obligation to do so many other bloggers don't, including one of the biggest bloggers in NZ, David Farrar. Kiwiblog has in a way set the tone, and the moral standard, for many other bloggers imho.<BR/><BR/>It will be interesting to see if there is as much abuse if National do indeed supplant Labour next year.Spanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16896745511007816190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-1122292263914854742007-07-22T21:27:00.000-04:002007-07-22T21:27:00.000-04:00"who can be the judge of this and thus determine w..."<I>who can be the judge of this and thus determine when this right no longer applies?</I>"<BR/><BR/>I'd tend to favour the most 'local' option available in each case: the individual blogger, the meeting moderator, etc. (Certainly not any universal rule imposed from On High.) Ideally, there should be plenty of alternative public spaces available, under different rules, so people can pick and choose which degree of moderation they find acceptable -- and vote with their feet if any particular host starts to abuse their power.<BR/><BR/>"<I>some people have very different views of what it means to be decent</I>"<BR/><BR/>Right, I was just arguing that bloggers were still subject to moral constraints; not that we would all agree on exactly what those obligations <I>are</I>.Richard Y Chappellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16725218276285291235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-4042102467712853462007-07-22T16:06:00.000-04:002007-07-22T16:06:00.000-04:00I think the issue you are raising revolves around ...I think the issue you are raising revolves around the term "decent," as that can have different meanings for different people. While there were many calls for codes (before and after the Kathy Sierra incident), many saw that as something that might stifle free speech and expression, if something such as a code could be possible in such a network as the Internet. <BR/><BR/>I was intrigued by your statement "the arguments for free speech do not extend to the protection of abusive or otherwise unreasoned discourse." As stated, it appears you are saying that free speech is something meant only for an educated population that engages in reasoned discourse. If so, who can be the judge of this and thus determine when this right no longer applies? The blogger? A network censor? Search engine companies? Governments or religious authorities? <BR/><BR/>Likewise, different people can mean or feel different things regarding abusive discourse, and the same judge question can also be asked.<BR/><BR/>"Morality obliges us to be minimally decent people." Sounds good, but some people have very different views of what it means to be decent, and much less moral. Thinking of US examples, I consider the issues around radical pro/con: abortion, animal rights, and gay rights proponents. Radical (dedicated?) people on either side of these issues have justified all sorts of actions done out of a sense of moral decency.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-66872507725217962552007-07-22T15:31:00.000-04:002007-07-22T15:31:00.000-04:00I think just because somthing is "your space" does...I think just because somthing is "your space" doesn't mean you should feel some obligation to lower its standard (by imposing a large amount of censorship) below that of anyone elses space. thats jsut some sort of large scale insult to yourself.<BR/><BR/>I agree with you that one might delete such comments that undermine the debate although you might want to have a set of rules (even if unwritten) that relate to why you would delete them. I favour as I have suggested before considering deleting nonsense, repeat posts, posts that are just personal insults etc.Geniushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11624496692217466430noreply@blogger.com