tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post2316996198017368533..comments2023-10-29T10:32:36.914-04:00Comments on Philosophy, et cetera: Good Government requires Civic CultureRichard Y Chappellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16725218276285291235noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-85233749979485222592008-03-03T12:11:00.000-05:002008-03-03T12:11:00.000-05:00Yeah, that sounds reasonable.Yeah, that sounds reasonable.Richard Y Chappellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16725218276285291235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-32422049054172030272008-03-01T12:10:00.000-05:002008-03-01T12:10:00.000-05:00I think that your answers are intuitive, but upon ...I think that your answers are intuitive, but upon some reflection it may be otherwise. Surely a dictatorship requires far more than one at least fairly good person to function at all well. Decisions made on the advice of totally self-interested (or worse, capricious) advisers and executed by totally self-interested (or capricious) administrators will turn out badly even after very good deliberation. Dictatorships or tight oligarchies sure do make the deliberation part easier to bring about though. <BR/><BR/>I'm pretty confident that a dictator doesn't need to be extremely virtuous compared to voters etc. Creating policies is his job, so he has more time to acquire expertise in it. His personal decisions have more weight, so they are worth making well even if motivated by fairly weak altruism, while the lower weight personal decisions of voters aren't worth making well unless motivated by much stronger altruism (which might motivate them to try to become dictators instead). <BR/><BR/>The other problem, that the dictator had better be the right person, is far more critical. A bad dictator can do damage more rapidly than a bad populace. OTOH, a bad dictator is much easier to overthrow than a bad populace. Sadly, so are good dictators, which may cause even strongly altruistic dictators to spend more effort in protecting and maintaining their own power than voters do, and thus less on building a better society than they could. Of course, if the public won't elect people who don't spend all their time trying to win re-election we get a less extreme version of this problem from representative democracy, though not from direct democracy. <BR/><BR/>Today, it's totally clear to me that North Korea is governed worse than Iran which is governed worse than the United States, which is governed worse than Sweden which is governed worse than Singapore. If that sequence was all we had to go on, democracy vs. dictatorship would be a toss-up. However, "one of those things is not like the others". The difference in quality of governance between North Korea and Iran dwarfs that between Iran and Singapore. For this reason, given the limited binary choice between things that are plausibly labeled as democracies and things not plausibly so labeled, Democracy seems far the safer and better bet.<BR/><BR/>OTOH, the quality ranking of a non-democracy is surely not uncaused. If we had some good reason for believing, as Plato thought he did, that a democracy was more likely to transition to dictatorship of the North Korean variety than a dictatorship like Singapore is to do so we might very plausibly favor Singapore's system of governance to that of the US.Michael Vassarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14093368267892307038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-23482682837451988172008-03-01T11:49:00.000-05:002008-03-01T11:49:00.000-05:00If men were angels no system of governance would b...If men were angels no system of governance would be needed. If they were devils none would help, and we would be sorely tempted not to care. The question has to be "how are various virtues distributed?". "Are they distributed in a manner that suggests that the expected distribution of outcomes will be better or worse under a supposed democracy with a particular list of institutions than under a given list of other systems, some more ostenably democratic and some less so?"Michael Vassarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14093368267892307038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-35932341378765199072008-03-01T11:47:00.000-05:002008-03-01T11:47:00.000-05:00A greater number of civic-minded people may be req...A greater number of civic-minded people may be required for liberal democracy, though it is less vital precisely <I>which</I> people those are. They may be more dispersed through the population, and the relevant virtues may also be more dispersed, i.e. so that we have more people being civic-minded but each to a lesser degree.<BR/><BR/>(A dictatorship might only require one good person, but it had better be the right person, and they had better be <I>extremely</I> good. So I'd sooner bet on a more dispersed system like liberal democracy.)Richard Y Chappellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16725218276285291235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-47385580981798180142008-03-01T11:35:00.000-05:002008-03-01T11:35:00.000-05:00So is the number of "people like Grant Woods" requ...So is the number of "people like Grant Woods" required to keep the liberal state from failing greater or less than the number required to keep a non-democratic state from failing?Michael Vassarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14093368267892307038noreply@blogger.com