tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post1475478372567108573..comments2023-10-29T10:32:36.914-04:00Comments on Philosophy, et cetera: Rational Force: science vs. ethicsRichard Y Chappellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16725218276285291235noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-68680933696425997142007-12-24T18:42:00.000-05:002007-12-24T18:42:00.000-05:00An action is rational if our beliefs suggest it wi...An action is rational if our beliefs suggest it will advance our desires more than other options (or perhaps the definition of rational is more complicated?). Thus if one was able to consciously change one's beliefs, then it could be possible to rationally decide to adopt an irrational belief set.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-77132969670785066612007-09-27T12:15:00.000-04:002007-09-27T12:15:00.000-04:00it seems nasty is usually a term to avoid debate a...it seems nasty is usually a term to avoid debate and prepare you for a simple solution ie "the criminal is just nasty". <BR/><BR/>I also think it trumps irrational - ie you use nasty as a term to describe an irrational nasty person in common language.Geniushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11624496692217466430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-21978694442755205632007-09-26T15:11:00.000-04:002007-09-26T15:11:00.000-04:00The grounds for thinking that the rational status ...The grounds for thinking that the rational status of ethics and science differ is in the fact that we cannot test an ethical claim in the same way that we test scientific claims. A chemistry experiment gone wrong is not the same as a court trial gone wrong; we can amend the conditions of both by reviewing equations or revising laws once we realize our mistake, but in the case of a trial--even in one that has seemingly little significance, like a traffic violation--there is a sense that considerable harm has been done. I think this sense of harm in ethics considerably outweighs any desire for truthfulness in science, and for that reason, people are more likely to seek an irrational ethical outlook (religious doctrine, fascism) in order to avoid that harm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-35390809892981435612007-09-25T17:08:00.000-04:002007-09-25T17:08:00.000-04:00A rational action seems to be a different kind of ...A rational action seems to be a different kind of thing, than a rational belief. A belief is rational if it doesn't contradict our other beliefs. An action is rational if our beliefs suggest it will advance our desires more than other options (or perhaps the definition of rational is more complicated?). Thus if one was able to consciously change one's beliefs, then it could be possible to rationally decide to adopt an irrational belief set. For example if someone say, believe this irrational thing or I'll shoot you.<BR/><BR/>That aside, I don't think science or ethics can be founded purely on rationality. Science assumes things like Occams's razor, that the future will be (on some level) like the past, that we live in a probable universe, and probably a lot more. The difference, I think, is that this set of starting assumptions has been incredibly successful and has beaten out the competition, whereas in morality there has been no obvious winner in the same way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-90081948074032095312007-09-25T16:49:00.000-04:002007-09-25T16:49:00.000-04:00I don't know. It might be possible to show the cre...I don't know. It might be possible to show the creationist to be irrational. Maybe something along the style of immanent critique--show that he is irrational by his own lights. For I suspect that many of those creationists in fact DO adhere to the same objective, external epistemic norms that the rest of us do; they just make exceptions to their own norms in ways that are, perhaps even by their own norms unjustified. One style of argument could attempt to point that out to them--from within, as it were.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com