tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post115875852039684593..comments2023-10-29T10:32:36.914-04:00Comments on Philosophy, et cetera: Metapolitics Go-memeRichard Y Chappellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16725218276285291235noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-1159059302172614332006-09-23T20:55:00.000-04:002006-09-23T20:55:00.000-04:00Ha, interesting suggestion! I thought "procedural ...Ha, interesting suggestion! I thought "procedural liberal" was the standard term for the position I described here, but perhaps it is a little misleading in light of other uses of the term 'liberal'. (Though I should add that I <I>am</I> happy to abandon procedural tradition in order to replace it with <I>better</I> procedures, say more deliberative democracy, etc. What I see as crucial here is not holding on to tradition per se, but rather the privileging of procedural concerns over first-order ends.)<BR/><BR/>Genius - yeah, it takes some simplification to squeeze one's views into these little scales (which - as in the authoritarianism case - may measure more than one thing); just pick whatever seems roughly best to you. Re: (a), of course I'm a consequentialist too, but not of the naive/direct sort, which is what this question is about.Richard Y Chappellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16725218276285291235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-1159051639046438822006-09-23T18:47:00.000-04:002006-09-23T18:47:00.000-04:00I didn't think to mention this before, but isn't i...I didn't think to mention this before, but isn't it actually procedurally conservative to care more about procedures for the sake of stability? It's procedural liberals who are willing to abandon procedural tradition as a means to an end. I think you're a procedural conservative.Jeremy Piercehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03441308872350317672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-1158864597148102082006-09-21T14:49:00.000-04:002006-09-21T14:49:00.000-04:00I think in terms of authoritarianism - there is a ...I think in terms of authoritarianism - there is a question of whether the power given to the governemnt is "power over people" or "power to do what they want"<BR/>I support the first but not the second.<BR/><BR/>Ie having lots of systems and checks and balances - but in the end great freedom to take action as required.<BR/>----<BR/>regarding e) there is a question of how you weight different policies - surely we can consider global warming war etc are best decided at a global level and some customs might be better at a local level - but how does one weight them? the former arevastly mroe important but less numerous.<BR/><BR/>and b) I think there in a sense is no right "question" but if you had a question and appropriate assumptions then there WILL be an answer and we should find it.<BR/>And that you could construct a "best/agreed question" which is I would say somthing like "utilitarianism" for example.<BR/>sorry if Im hard to follow here.<BR/><BR/>finally a) as a concequntialist I think that ends do justify means BUT I think the classic radical actions (like blowing up an abortion clinic) are prone to have massive side effects --- and anyway it is better to focus on the long term strategy which is probably best done via the system.<BR/><BR/>clarification??Geniushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11624496692217466430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-1158833564708327452006-09-21T06:12:00.000-04:002006-09-21T06:12:00.000-04:00Heh, it may be more that I'm unsure how to classif...Heh, it may be more that I'm unsure how to classify my views on the left-right spectrum. But free market + Unconditional Basic Income is a combination I've been advocating <A HREF="http://pixnaps.blogspot.com/2005/07/enabling-humanity.html" REL="nofollow">for a while</A>. (So, to clarify: I'm all in favour of redistribution via UBI. It's other forms of leftish regulation, or redistribution done badly, that I'm suspicious of.)<BR/><BR/>P.S. I'm glad you picked up on the meme -- I'm not sure how many NZers still read my blog these days!Richard Y Chappellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16725218276285291235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-1158831058594400932006-09-21T05:30:00.000-04:002006-09-21T05:30:00.000-04:00Your last one is intriguing. Could this be the fir...Your last one is intriguing. Could this be the first visible sign of the ageing process?Nigel Kearneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04810873665345046994noreply@blogger.com