tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post110267948878568179..comments2023-10-29T10:32:36.914-04:00Comments on Philosophy, et cetera: The "Morally Superior"Richard Y Chappellhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16725218276285291235noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-1102841735348129282004-12-12T03:55:00.000-05:002004-12-12T03:55:00.000-05:00indeed 
Posted by GeniusNZindeed <br /><br /><A></A><A></A>Posted by<A><B> </B></A><A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?geniusnz.blogspot.com" TITLE="spat012 at hotmail dot com">GeniusNZ</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-1102839505336665702004-12-12T03:18:00.000-05:002004-12-12T03:18:00.000-05:00"Further, from my vantage point, the culture war i..."Further, from my vantage point, the culture war in the U.S. appears (very roughly) to be between educated liberals and the ignorant bible-thumping masses."<br /><br />I think the ignorance is on both sides - and it isn't ignorance about the issues but about <I>each other</I>.<br /><br />http://prosthesis.blogspot.com/2004/12/one-state-two-state-red-stateblue.html<br /><br />Besides that, why doesn't Holbo just try to make the term "Republican" into an epithet? If he tries to use "moral elitist" as a term for people who want to legislate their morality, then he would have to use it for people who oppose the death penalty or the war or helping the poor or hundreds of other things on moral grounds. But I have a feeling he doesn't mean "legislating morality," but actually "legislating morality that I don't agree with."  <br /><br /><A></A><A></A>Posted by<A><B> </B></A><A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?http%3A%2F%2Fprosthesis.blogspot.com" TITLE="">Macht</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-1102810410640171502004-12-11T19:13:00.000-05:002004-12-11T19:13:00.000-05:00"For one thing, the epithet might be so strongly a..."For one thing, the epithet might be so strongly associated with attacking our side that we can't turn it around as Holbo suggests."<br /><br />[I will use 'framing' just to be consistent]<br />I think this is very astute, and probably the problem with the recent liberal radio, liberal press's attempts to be self-identifying and self-confident 'framers' of popular discourse. The problem is, they are always already tarred with the brush of liberalism as institutions/people that they cannot break through an already 'framed' debate. The alternative answer seems just as flawed however, you only have to see some of the angrily & indignantly separatist articles on <A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?http%3A%2F%2Fwww.commondreams.org%2F">Common Dreams</A> to see how hostile and frankly not very appealing this can get, if a nice release valve for frustrated US liberals.<br /><br />One might also want to consult the half-interesting recent article --<A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?http%3A%2F%2Fmundanebehavior.org%2Fissues%2Fv5n1%2Fgibbons.htm">’White Trash: A Class Relevant Scapegoat for the Cultural Elite’</A>--as a reminder of how liberals are frequently cast as the 'cultural elite' even in contemporary sociological discourse, and so charges of elitism might be very difficult to make stick. (I also have some <A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?http%3A%2F%2Frob.ifanything.org%2Fdetriment%2Findex.php%3Fp%3D54">very half-baked English criticisms</A> on the matter) <br /><br /><A></A><A></A>Posted by<A><B> </B></A><A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?http%3A%2F%2Frob.ifanything.org%2Fdetriment%2F" TITLE="rob at ifanything dot org">rob</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6642011.post-1102709605298808732004-12-10T15:13:00.000-05:002004-12-10T15:13:00.000-05:00Personally I find this sort of methodology - the q...Personally I find this sort of methodology - the quiet brainwashing of the masses via the useage of words as more insideous than the at least open attempts to shape society of the "moral elite" (be it the moral elete of the left or right).<br />change is not bad but if you dont want it to go off track it should at least be reasonably transparent. <br /><br /><A></A><A></A>Posted by<A><B> </B></A><A HREF="http://www.blogger.com/r?geniusnz.blogspot.com" TITLE="spat012 at hotmail dot com">GeniusNZ</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com